i think pickton will only charge 100or 150, don't think mt.vernon is much more and they are ready to help consession wise and the ground ,and yes i did try to contact carrie about what was gonna happen with 17 before the start of this past year she said she had it worked out,yes i do know all about running an assoc.i just think her beef was she felt like not enough sponsers(really don't know for sure) carrie did a wonderful job and i'm sorry it didn't work out but like i said so you don't make umteen $ you go with what you have. several years we just gave buckles. i think everyone knew you don't get the money no special prizes. arena wise you have paris,mineola,bogota ,and jerrie marie's pen. marlyns,and lots of others. as far as the ground at s.springs yes it was deep but you sure didn't have to go i went and made the best of it and yes i've seen them go down but that pen is for the cutters and that is how that man makes his living so no he isn't going to do something that would hurt his horses.i think he tried hard to keep good ground